Curse

Nimble Night · Aug 15, 2007, 04:10 PM // 16:10

Soon Modding will destroy the internetz! OHNOEZ!

DeBron · Aug 15, 2007, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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Originally Posted by ibex333

I hope you are reading this, Gaile, because I am one less customer you will have unless you get rid of the dupers, modders, and everyone else ruining this game once and for all. Before it's too late... DO A COMPLETE ROLLBACK. LOCK THE Gw.dat file so people cant do anything with it. Save this game.

I doubt ANET cares about "one less customer" when MANY more would leave if a "COMPLETE ROLLBACK" took place (which it won't).

It's been a pretty awful lately for rit lovers like us. The class got shat on and duping shafted you out of 350k; just take a break.

Loviatar · Aug 15, 2007, 04:14 PM // 16:14

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Originally Posted by ibex333

I've been saving for a long time to get myself a Tormented shield. Part of the appeal was that once I would get it, there would still be about 70% of GW players that don't have it. Well lucky me.. In between dupers and modders that's all negated now.

right on.

i dont want it because i really like it nooooooo

i want it because most of the others cant afford it

you will still be one of the few proud small clutter of owners as Anet has/is still clearing out the stacks of them by closing accounts with heaps and stacks of them.

or............bye bye do you really think Anet/ NCsoft /any of us will miss you?

lakatz · Aug 15, 2007, 04:26 PM // 16:26

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Originally Posted by Lagg

...The key to enjoying this game, is not amassing wealth, posing or modding, it's playing it...

That may be true for you, and that may be your values and your priorities and your choices. That may be true for me and my values and my priorities and my choices... but it's not true for everyone.

Whatever Ibex333 chooses to get out of the game is just as valid as what you or I choose to get out of the game.

To each his own.

Different strokes for different folks.

A chacun son goute.

HayesA · Aug 15, 2007, 04:30 PM // 16:30

k. bye. have fun elseware. it was nice not knowing who you are. :\

onerabbit · Aug 15, 2007, 04:35 PM // 16:35

Complete Roll Back to the Griffon farming days! KTHNXBAI!

lakatz · Aug 15, 2007, 04:37 PM // 16:37

LOL...Call the cops! Someone has been duping God's suit. There are no less than 20 people in this thread alone wearing a God suit... and they're all dupes and way too big for the people wearing them.

mr_groovy · Aug 15, 2007, 05:05 PM // 17:05

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Originally Posted by ibex333

bla bla bla bla bla
Modding GW is not cool. 1st reason is because it gives an unfair advantage to some. Now you can interrupt more easily, heal better, and do a host of other things that weren't intended to be available to a player.

Ehhhh? How can texture modding make you interrupt faster and heal better?

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Rant rant rant
Take all that away, and you have a dull game left, stripped of a big part of it's beauty. No more *unique* armors or items. You can have anything you want!

One can only change textures of 3d models, not the 3d models them self. So not really

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I've been saving for a long time to get myself a Tormented shield. Part of the appeal was that once I would get it, there would still be about 70% of GW players that don't have it. Well lucky me.. In between dupers and modders that's all negated now.

No blame to the modders, the dupers can burn in hell though. Farmed half the gems and payed 180k for the rest for my ambrace a few days ago >.> Not cool

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If I could mod skins right now, I can see myself quickly getting bored with this game. I'm perfectly aware it's just on the client side, but that is all I really need. After getting myself every rare skin and playing around with them, there's hardly anything left aside from me PvPing, since I beat all of PvE. Nothing to strive for. Nothing to desire.

Only texture no 3d models,try modding yourself before you flip out at what could be possible :

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Someone might say - No one is MAKING you mod stuff. Well when something is there, one cant help but try it. The very idea of me playing casually, while others are turning this game inside out makes me sick. Not because I cant to the same, but because of the "fact" itself.

Don't think about it

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rant rant rant

The downfall of this game already begun when purple items became worthless and golds became so common some were/are worth 3-5k. Why are purples even still in the game I ask you? Especially the noninscriptable ones?

My max req 9 purple fell blade inscr does the trick for me. Can remember selling a 14^50 req 9 purple stormbow for 27k

. Though this was before hm release

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DO A COMPLETE ROLLBACK. LOCK THE Gw.dat file so people cant do anything with it. Save this game.

/end of rant

Apperently you haven't tried modding, because the program uses the textures in memory through dx 9, not gw it self. FAIL

vergerefosh · Aug 15, 2007, 05:29 PM // 17:29

Why would you want a rollback? Ok, there was the ambrace issue, but that has been fixed, but it hasn't affected enough people to cause a rollback.

A rollback would only be necessary for a serious economic crisis such as what happened in the past when for some reason ecto and superior rune prices dropped to the lowest so everyone bought some

Sli Ander · Aug 15, 2007, 05:30 PM // 17:30

Dear OP
You make me giggle

Yours truly
Sli Ander
___________

Seriously, listen to everyone's advice on the modding. As to the duping, we'll all soon see exactly how hard Anet is stomping on the dupers. I, too, would suggest you take a break. For most players (I presume) it is about the journey and the pride of having earned the weapon/armor/whatever yourself that matters most, not its rarity. But if we wait a little while, I'm sure the market will settle out enough to satisfy even the players that desire nothing more than the rarity, rather than treasuring the tale behind it.

But that's just my two cents

Relambrien · Aug 15, 2007, 05:53 PM // 17:53

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Originally Posted by mr_groovy

Ehhhh? How can texture modding make you interrupt faster and heal better?

You can change skill animations to glare out at you even more than they do now, so you can make it so that a big red circle appears over someone's head when they're using a key skill to interrupt or a skill that gives away a spike.

ibex333 · Aug 15, 2007, 05:57 PM // 17:57

Wow.. so much flame... *most of it because people don't even bother to read what I wrote*

It's funny how everyone who replied is completely blind to the negative effects the modding has on the game. If you even took one minute to really THINK about it instead of flaming me, you might have understood what I'm saying.

How can a modder interrupt faster or heal better? Change the gfx of the skill to say INTERRUPT ME with big red letters.. Put markers on the health bar for 50% 75% 90%. Make skins brighter.. Do I need to go on and on? If you choose to remain blind to this, there's no point for me to even bother explaining.

People are talking about MINIMAL effect? What minimal effect? The effect is massive. I cant see how the game will recover from the harm that was done any time soon. The economy is destroyed. This game is like Diablo2 now. That's the reason why I quit Diablo2 after playing it for almost 6 years. At least I could sell my account there without anyone telling me if I can do that or not. Blizz simply didn't care. (probably because they knew and admitted to the fact that their game has gone to hell) I think it's only fair that I'm allowed to get my money back if I'm not really getting what I ORIGINALLY paid for.

One has to be completely brain dead to pay more than 1k for anything these days. Whatever you are buying.. it might have been duped.. 250 diamonds? - duped. Perfect crystalline - duped. 1000 ecto? - might have been duped too...

If I only wanted to PvP and juggle my skills around to beat my opponent, I could have played Magic the Gathering. I chose GW because it used to offer so much more. That is no longer the case.

Heh... there are thousands of armbraces in people's hands, and people are talking about MINIMAL effect...

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Originally Posted by Sli Ander

For most players (I presume) it is about the journey and the pride of having earned the weapon/armor/whatever yourself that matters most, not its rarity.

Well ask yourself why you even took that journey in the first place... Either way, even if it is about the journey, which it probably is, even that factor is now gone. Why take the journey when you can have whatever you want instantly now?

Who would lift weights if they could instantly have muscles all over their body? Who would work if money was falling from the sky? Who would strive for anything if it was already there in their hands?

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Originally Posted by DeBron

I doubt ANET cares about "one less customer" when MANY more would leave if a "COMPLETE ROLLBACK" took place (which it won't).

It's been a pretty awful lately for rit lovers like us. The class got shat on and duping shafted you out of 350k; just take a break.

Yes that is EXACTLY what I will do. That's the only thing I can do. Except for ranting off course.

Solas · Aug 15, 2007, 06:10 PM // 18:10

you want to roll back yeah? roll back to before you started your saving and workign for it again?, while thousands of others are annoyed..pretty selfish is you ask me.

everyone lost a bit, ectos traders lost hugly. there losss is in maybe 1000s of k.

general inflation mayde everything cheeper, also stopped hundreds of people for ecto farming.

but thats how the real econemy may work some things.... ( not in same example but it changes, maybe counerfit money, would be a nice example).

but if there was a rollback everything normal peopel struggled for saving,buying,selling,would all be pointless, 2 months the majority of summer wasted and alot of wasted time.

anet did the right thing...trust em and see how it works out

Fril Estelin · Aug 15, 2007, 06:14 PM // 18:14

Hi,

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Originally Posted by ibex333

One has to be completely brain dead to pay more than 1k for anything these days. Whatever you are buying.. it might have been duped.. 250 diamonds? - duped. Perfect crystalline - duped. 1000 ecto? - might have been duped too...

If I only wanted to PvP and juggle my skills around to beat my opponent, I could have played Magic the Gathering. I chose GW because it used to offer so much more. That is no longer the case.

Heh... there are thousands of armbraces in people's hands, and people are talking about MINIMAL effect...

You're mixing modding with bug exploit without understanding any of them (any SW developer knows how difficult it is to stop modding, locking gw.dat would not help one bit! regarding bugs, this also is typical from SW, I guess Anet worked like hell to close the Armbrace exploit).

Your rant looks like selfishness when you want to be part of the 30% elite with Blabla shield (I wonder how you can really realise you're part of 30% of hundreds of thousands of players...), and it looks like paranoia when you over-emphasize the effect a la Diablo2 (there will always be duppers in a successful game). You may "feel" cheated, but it's more a matter of point of view (pay no more than 1k? have everything instantly? that's not the case in my GW...) than a cause and effect phenomenon.

Day and Night · Aug 15, 2007, 06:16 PM // 18:16

I agree that allowed modding (and even with guides from developers) can harm competitive things. Like ibex333 said, someone can:

place percentage marks on health bars and mana bars
color skill icons as he wishes (like color all skills that need to be interrupted with glaring red, or place distinctive marks on icons)
retexture player armors, so all monks will "glow" with bright blue color, eles red and so on...

Use your imagination and think about what other things may be done "with just harmless clientside retexturing"...

Clord · Aug 15, 2007, 06:19 PM // 18:19

Why to roll backwards when you can roll forward?

If you play game for just graphics, take break or something to regain interest.

the_jos · Aug 15, 2007, 06:21 PM // 18:21

Now I was hoping for some interesting reasoning on why GW is dying.
Now I read just:
- Dupers: A-net seems to be solving that problem right now
- Modding client for advantage: well, for unexperienced players perhaps, but not the experienced ones.
- Modding client for better looks: This is only client side and has nothing to do with obtaining the real thing. You might mod your plain sword to look like a crystalline, but it's not.
- Worthless items: Well, my heroes are happy with those items and if not, the merchant. Or I just take them to some starter area and give them away.

I have some trouble understanding your reasoning.
I do understand how the duper-issue affects players.
But other than that, it's about the experience of playing a game and that has very little to do with the value of things or manipulated views on the client side.

Now let me tell you what in my opinion is the worst problem with guild wars.
It's teaming up with people. GW is an online game to be played in a human team. Now there are various reasons why people don't do that (anymore) or only with specific people.

The first one was already present in Prophecies.
It's because it's hard to find out if players are able to get the job done.
PuGs in prophecies was always a bit of a gamble, you might find an excelent team or a very bad one.

Related to this is that a lot of people are in guilds and play with people there.
The most experienced people in my guild, with a few exceptions, only play in guild teams or with people on their friends list (PvE).

Then Factions was released. Many people moved there, but this caused two problems: People are now in two games. And people have a split storyline.
This made even less chance to form a PuG in reasonable time (specially Gyala, Unwaking and Eternal Grove).

Now the thirth problem arises, Nightfall.
Again, more people spread over 3 continents now.
Well, A-net made one very good solution for that: Heroes.
You can now team up with 3 self-configured, always playing and non-complaining idiots.
And you add some hench, go-go-go in 2 minutes time. Let's own the game!

Now we introduce an other area of gameplay: Hard Mode.
All those people that are spread on 3 continents can now play the missions in 2 ways: NM and HM. Even less people to team up with.
And there is this nice vanquishing thing, also consuming people.
And with all the titles lying around, people are even more spread.
Who wants go get the Carto-title in teams? Takes way to long to set up for just that purpose.

When you are lucky and have a decent guild/alliance, you can team up with other humans, adding some fun to the game (and sometimes annoying things, like guildie going afk for a few minutes, to return 30 minutes later. Well, we know that now and have introduce the term 'Doing a Boris' for that kind of behaviour, which makes it fun again).
But also there, when we team up we fill gaps with heroes or friends about 90% of the time.
We hardly ever PuG, except when we are having a fun-run and some spaces left.

This all combined made Guild Wars to an almost single player experience for a lot of people.
There is little reward (ingame goals) for teaming up with people and a lot to lose. H&H take the builds you want, don't rush, don't ragequit, don't complain.

I know a lot of people keep playing because guild activity and a lot quit playing because they were bored by solo-playing and teaming up with noob-PuGs in high-end areas.

KamikazeChicken · Aug 15, 2007, 06:25 PM // 18:25

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Originally Posted by ibex333

Modding GW is not cool. 1st reason is because it gives an unfair advantage to some. Now you can interrupt more easily, heal better, and do a host of other things that weren't intended to be available to a player.

Duping was an unintentional exploit in one of the best features anet added to GW. They're correcting the problem, and most accounts with duped items have been banned.

Any possible advantage to modding is minimal. People who were competative already roughly knew exactly what the new mods show people. You're not being forced to use a mod, and you don't need to worry about it, since you're a PvE player. Also, mods don't allow you to interrupt or heal better than before.

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Originally Posted by ibex333

Second reason, is when you can have any skin and any graphic on your character, you WILL quickly get bored with this game. The cool items and gfx were indeed a part of what made this game great. It is the grinding for items and farming that makes games like this interesting for many.

I have all the skins I possibly want, and that's not what makes me bored of the game. People who use mods have the ability to go above and beyond anything GW has, and that makes some people desire to play even more. Nobody is forcing you to use a mod or stop your mindless grinding. I'd be more concerned that you don't do jack shit with your guild when you log on, not the people having harmless fun.

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Originally Posted by ibex333

I've been saving for a long time to get myself a Tormented shield. Part of the appeal was that once I would get it, there would still be about 70% of GW players that don't have it. Well lucky me.. In between dupers and modders that's all negated now.

Most armbraces are gone, and the price of tormented items hasn't changed all that much yet. If you want an ugly, purplish shield, go for it. Modders aren't throwing the tormented skin on other shields, they're just changing its color.

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Originally Posted by ibex333

The downfall of this game already begun when purple items became worthless and golds became so common some were/are worth 3-5k. Why are purples even still in the game I ask you? Especially the noninscriptable ones?

You clearly failed at knowing what GW was originally about. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. I'm sure I could be persuaded to remove you from the roster, if you actually want to quit the game. I'm just glad you don't talk to the guild very often; you're acting like a drama queen. >.>

MSecorsky · Aug 15, 2007, 06:29 PM // 18:29

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Originally Posted by ibex333

People are talking about MINIMAL effect? What minimal effect? The effect is massive. I cant see how the game will recover from the harm that was done any time soon. The economy is destroyed. This game is like Diablo2 now. That's the reason why I quit Diablo2 after playing it for almost 6 years. At least I could sell my account there without anyone telling me if I can do that or not. Blizz simply didn't care. (probably because they knew and admitted to the fact that their game has gone to hell) I think it's only fair that I'm allowed to get my money back if I'm not really getting what I ORIGINALLY paid for.

One has to be completely brain dead to pay more than 1k for anything these days. Whatever you are buying.. it might have been duped.. 250 diamonds? - duped. Perfect crystalline - duped. 1000 ecto? - might have been duped too...

If I only wanted to PvP and juggle my skills around to beat my opponent, I could have played Magic the Gathering. I chose GW because it used to offer so much more. That is no longer the case.

Heh... there are thousands of armbraces in people's hands, and people are talking about MINIMAL effect...

Assertion w/o evidence = FAIL.

You claim the economy is destroyed, prove it. I've seen no effects whatsoever in any way shape or form regarding the economy and me.

Let's see... accounts with thousands of armbraces --- banned. Thousands out there... nope. Besides, let's say a thousand went to individuals one at a time and these folks don't get banned. So freakin' what? Another thousand in a sea of milltions?

A rollback (which has already be verified by Gaile as NOT going to take place) would harm basically everyone in the game that's played since whenever the rollback would take place. I, for one, would lose about 70 elite captures, give or take. Why should the many have to suffer so the few can believe their Tormented E-peens are worth another 10 ectos?

I predict this thread will get rolled-back long before the game does.

lyra_song · Aug 15, 2007, 06:31 PM // 18:31

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Originally Posted by Day and Night

I agree that allowed modding (and even with guides from developers) can harm competitive things. Like ibex333 said, someone can:

place percentage marks on health bars and mana bars
color skill icons as he wishes (like color all skills that need to be interrupted with glaring red, or place distinctive marks on icons)
retexture player armors, so all monks will be glow with bright blue color, eles red and so on...

Just use your imagination and think what other things may be done "with just harmless clientside retexturing"...

This has been discussed before and the effects are very minimal.

-Placing percentage marks SHOULD be on every client. Its AWESOME. Anet needs to add this in their new update soon.
-The game tells you which skills need interruption. They already have distinct skill icons and activation sounds and effects.
-If you pvp and cant tell a monk from an ele....theres something wrong with you.

No amount of texture editing is gonna make you a good player.

No one is stopping you from doing those things if you feel you need it. Since everyone is equal in the fact that Anet is indifferent to them modding, ITS NOT IMBALANCED.

MACROS or BOTTING SCRIPTS are what are not allowed because of they give you instant reaction and lessen the work required by the player.

This is significantly different from redrawing your armor texture to be a color you cant dye.